tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4050554817776641945.post963582329669807938..comments2023-06-05T07:33:16.696-07:00Comments on The China Beat: The Chinese Press in the SpotlightThe China Beathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17042877198563453117noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4050554817776641945.post-31490743004777312172008-06-09T10:51:00.000-07:002008-06-09T10:51:00.000-07:00There is a tendency to attribute everything to the...There is a tendency to attribute everything to the top leadership/government of China. More often than not it's the responsibility of lower-level/local operatives, who don't have a lot of subltty and sophistication, and who for fear of making mistakes and jeopadizing their careers, tend to overact in things like censorship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4050554817776641945.post-7114716017514569412008-06-04T20:50:00.000-07:002008-06-04T20:50:00.000-07:00a june 4th post on the wsj blog offers more info o...a june 4th post on the wsj blog offers more info on glued pages in national geographic's special china issue <BR/><BR/>http://blogs.wsj.com/chinajournal/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4050554817776641945.post-90266002330710836402008-06-04T19:42:00.000-07:002008-06-04T19:42:00.000-07:00I think its a big mistake to use offensive, aggres...I think its a big mistake to use offensive, aggressive language when trying to educate Chinese about the deficiencies in their media and government. We must support the Chinese in their overwhelmingly rapid growth and maturation. It is a difficult process made even more challenging by its accelerated pace. The best thing us foreigners can teach Chinese is the power of independent critical thought. Chinese are just as capable of morality and reason as anyone else, they just have to be given the tools to critically examine the information they are given. Though Chinese understand that in a country of 1.3 billion, progress inevitably disrupts, they would protest against things like 1.25 million Beijing residents being forcibly expelled from their homes with little to no compensation to make way for Olympic construction. It would be terrible to put the average Chinese person on the defensive and have China collectively recoil into a reactionary defensive posture that doesn't accept any of our criticism or suggestions because we've been aggressive instead of engaging and encouraging. It's incumbent on us to be mature, considerate, compassionate and helpful, angry shrieks and hateful conjecture may well have disastrous influences.Stephanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04707653275989610474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4050554817776641945.post-26276610337137843172008-06-04T12:57:00.000-07:002008-06-04T12:57:00.000-07:00Harry,I think what you say about the progress in h...Harry,<BR/><BR/>I think what you say about the progress in human rights is not what you think... The CCP has terrorized people in China don't you know? Terror revolutions randomly persecuting with brutal violence anyone the CCP does not want around. This has led to a culture of people adjusting their thoughts to the CCPs every whim.<BR/><BR/>Teachers teach crap to students because they know the CCP is a global power and who will keep them safe if they speak truth? That is a major major issue. It's the same in North Korea. If a thousand people gather and do a demonstration begging for help and exposing the regimes atrocities, will anyone help them? No, they will pay the consequences of rebelling.<BR/><BR/>Parents dare not teach their children the truth for fear they get caught speaking it and believing in it. People in China no longer think in terms of right and wrong, true or lie, just or unjust, they think in terms of GDP, and what;s good for the stability of the CCP, they confound love for the country with love for the CCP, since they can only think and speak what they are allowed to. Wake up, the CCP human rights violations have been extremely effective to the point where maintenance is lower now, the culture is formed, people know the line and they sell their souls when they wake up every morning with various excuses, or because they were just raised up that way and genuinely do not know they are living in a cage.<BR/><BR/>Do you think that you have the info on the laogai in China? Do you know how many Falun Gong are arrested and tortured? Do you know how many reporters know they are lying to everyone for cash? Do you know the torture methods used on dissidents? Do you know about organ harvesting? Don't you think the party is criminal? And don't you think that using all means to block information about this is severely endangering the people? Do you know the extent of the party's manipulation of international leadership and organizations in order to keep the lie going, to not expose the crimes, to keep dissidents in torture cells so that everyone can going on repeating how everything is getting better? Speak for yourselves, do not speak for the people who know the real truth, it is not getting better, it is more hidden.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4050554817776641945.post-36323862690266355802008-06-04T04:09:00.000-07:002008-06-04T04:09:00.000-07:00>It appears that the Olympics will not be the “It’...>It appears that the Olympics will not be the “It’s Legit to Hate China Games,” after all, and that is a good thing.<BR/><BR/>No no, I'm afraid you've got it all wrong, actually that's a very <B>bad</B> thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4050554817776641945.post-7909324818298393772008-06-03T21:26:00.000-07:002008-06-03T21:26:00.000-07:00Many thanks to those who have commented on my essa...Many thanks to those who have commented on my essay, "The Chinese Press in the Spotlight." Knowing that people are reading The China Beat is a good feeling and I welcome the feedback. I would like to respond to the various comments on my essay with the following: First, I emphatically do not think it is a good thing to hate China nor do I think that China deserves to be hated. Hatred and blind rage will not solve the problems in China anymore than they will solve the problems in the United States or other parts of the world. China has changed a great deal over the past two decades. The pace of the change there is extraordinary and awe-inspiring. China is more free and more information is available there today than at any time since I first started to visit the country on a regular basis over twenty years ago. Second, I think it is important to continue to critique China, and to criticize it, when appropriate. No country, no government, and no nationality is above being criticized. That goes for my own country as well as for all others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4050554817776641945.post-68861234101137082052008-06-03T13:50:00.000-07:002008-06-03T13:50:00.000-07:00Nonsense!Just by reading one magazine with several...Nonsense!<BR/><BR/>Just by reading one magazine with several pages glued together and then come out a conclusion about Chinese government censorship. Did you see your logic error here? In nowadays China, you can pretty much have the well known foreign magazines mailed to your front door (Of course not those nasty magazines). <BR/><BR/>Please don’t make the facts work for your conclusion that you have already made in your mind. <BR/><BR/>In general for China or other developing country, the most important thing is making progress. The China CCP is also changing and making progress. Almost certain someone may not live to see Chinese society bubbling up. What a hatred!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4050554817776641945.post-81623464630152035442008-06-02T16:13:00.000-07:002008-06-02T16:13:00.000-07:00The way I see it, the CCP has a reason why it does...The way I see it, the CCP has a reason why it does everything. I think fundamentally it is run on fear and self interest/preservation so whatever it has to do to fool people and make itself seem legitimate, it will do.<BR/><BR/>The Chinese society is bubbling over with controversy right now and the party knows it. It knows that if it doesn't play good, the people will explode and call the party on its injustice, so it has been forced to make concessions. Just like all the concessions it has made, it has made them at times when it's power was under threat.<BR/><BR/>In a sense it actually does work like a democracy. It does depend on the peoples support because it claims to be for the people so it has to play the game, but fundamentally it is not for the people, it is for itself. It does not earn it's legitimacy. It fakes it. It makes it up and twists things so it appears to be 'great glorious and correct' .It messes with peoples standards and ideals so as to seem forgivable and acceptable. It lives on lies. Media freedom and CCP cannot coexist, thats what I think, and thats what the CCP knows and fears.<BR/><BR/>Nice blog, I appreciate it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4050554817776641945.post-69223188113649039462008-06-01T21:26:00.000-07:002008-06-01T21:26:00.000-07:00I had an identical experience in Shanghai when New...I had an identical experience in Shanghai when Newsweek featured a story on Zhao Ziyang's death. In that case, the offending image was a memorial in Hong Kong with signs bearing such hypersensitive phrases as "平凡六四。" I tried returning to the store and discussing the presence of these strange glued-together pages with the clerks, yet not very surprisingly found that no one was eager to dive into that conversation with me; lots of silence and staring into space.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4050554817776641945.post-1620953984039972202008-06-01T18:48:00.000-07:002008-06-01T18:48:00.000-07:00I also find it strange that the map depicting Chin...I also find it strange that the map depicting China's ethnic minorities was censored because I saw a similar map in January on a wall in the Shanghai Museum. But I think your analysis-- that the topic has probably become sensitive in light of the Tibet protests-- is probably spot on.Meghahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07057454753235985172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4050554817776641945.post-82087733876544193852008-06-01T10:23:00.000-07:002008-06-01T10:23:00.000-07:00Actually, I was sincerely hoping that this would b...Actually, I was sincerely hoping that this would be the “It’s Legit to Hate China Games.” In the wake of the "nationalism with racist characteristics" in reaction to Western coverage of Tibet, it becomes more evident to me that the willing blindness of Chinese culture needs to be killed off. With the reported increase in anti-Westerner sentiment before the quake, I anticipated a lot of visitors coming back from China honestly realizing that it is an authoritarian state and that the masses are ignorant of how browbeaten their media is. Now, there will be appropriate sympathy for the people of the tragedy, but it will obscure the harsher realities of censorship in China.skyywisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00772993009867180472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4050554817776641945.post-90618453146365897182008-05-31T12:12:00.000-07:002008-05-31T12:12:00.000-07:00Interesting.But, as you indicate, clumsy. An Engli...Interesting.<BR/><BR/>But, as you indicate, clumsy. An English magazine in an international airport censored with a glue stick lacks a bit of nuance. :)<BR/><BR/>I wonder if it was vandalism rather than censorship. <BR/><BR/>Anyhow, your question about the fragility of the "new openness" is a good one. However, it isn't necessarily that new. The Tibet thing is framed by the Earthquake in May and the snows in Jan/Feb. <BR/><BR/>I was in Beijing during the snow crisis and was impressed by the response of the people and the government. I also watched on CCTV the same sort of discussion about how the West isn't getting it. The complaint on the tube was that the West was looking for the story (riot) to break out at anytime - almost like circling vultures. <BR/><BR/>2008 isn't over yet. <BR/>I'm optimistic about China. <BR/>It is going to be an interesting year.Mutant Jedihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10713659248133980600noreply@blogger.com